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发布于：2003-01-22 14:24
[quote]每天看一点[/quote] :) |
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发布于：2003-01-22 14:38
[quote]我觉得MrChen说有一定的道理，我一直在困惑这么几个问题： Hi, Fracker! Before I give my opinion, may I ask the following question: Do you plan to give me some marks for it? :) :) :) [/quote] Sure I will. [/quote] No! Thanks! I just asked the question, not for the marks. My question hints at the crux of the matter -- i.e. conflict of interests. It is very common for good programmers or IT professionals nowadays to come under the situation described by you. Why is the situation so common? It is our society, our culture and our system. Could we do something about it? Yes, start from yourself. A wise man should clearly know what his own interests in the long run. Better still, be a Moses, lead his kinsmen out of slavery, working for common interests of the whole community. Is it too idealistic? That falls into the realm of religion or ideology. Are you interested in what I have said. If yes, I shall talk about something more immediate and more personal when someone is put under the situation described by you. :) :) :) |
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发布于：2003-01-22 14:44
Hi Mrchen,check your Email\'s Inbox! :D
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发布于：2003-01-22 14:45
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发布于：2003-01-22 15:46
Hi Mrchen,check your Email\'s Inbox! :D Hi, I have given you reply. :) :) :) |
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发布于：2003-01-22 22:31
[quote]Hi Mrchen,check your Email\'s Inbox! :D Hi, I have given you reply. :) :) :) [/quote]I have given you reply too! :D |
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发布于：2003-01-22 22:32
好夸张
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发布于：2003-01-23 01:42
要是这书能在中国起这作用，我马上长江的跳。别跟我讲高尚的东西，我只知道除了利益其他什么都是假的。人类历史的推动力是什么？生存的欲望！ MrChen, you could take your time browse and post whatever you feel like to express on MS\'s communities and newsgroups, that way you would surely get more audience and get to polish your English skill. And like you\'ve already noticed, we even have an zone dedicated for people like you who have great passion of expressing in English. Go visit there, spread your words, make it a thunder-name among every developers within China. Doesn\'t satisfy you, no problem, we\'ll sign a collective petition to the Big Boss,\" Let this man have his dream come true!\" However, before that, wounldn\'t you think \"post\" instead of \"thread\" , \"points\" rather than \"marks\" , be better in your expression. We\'re going to make a renowned program here, remember? Nevertheless, I felt compelled to say that when God created languages, the purpose was to cause misunderstanding. If problems could be better addressed in another language as to promote better communication or even faster salvation. ――Tomatoes on me! Easy, easy, this would be the last time I ever browse this post. [编辑 - 1/23/03 by aabb123] |
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发布于：2003-01-23 09:48
[quote] 要是这书能在中国起这作用，我马上长江的跳。别跟我讲高尚的东西，我只知道除了利益其他什么都是假的。人类历史的推动力是什么？生存的欲望！ MrChen, you could take your time browse and post whatever you feel like to express on MS\'s communities and newsgroups, that way you would surely get more audience and get to polish your English skill. And like you\'ve already noticed, we even have an zone dedicated for people like you who have great passion of expressing in English. Go visit there, spread your words, make it a thunder-name among every developers within China. Doesn\'t satisfy you, no problem, we\'ll sign a collective petition to the Big Boss,\" Let this man have his dream come true!\" However, before that, wounldn\'t you think \"post\" instead of \"thread\" , \"points\" rather than \"marks\" , be better in your expression. We\'re going to make a renowned program here, remember? Nevertheless, I felt compelled to say that when God created languages, the purpose was to cause misunderstanding. If problems could be better addressed in another language as to promote better communication or even faster salvation. ――Tomatoes on me! Easy, easy, this would be the last time I ever browse this post. [编辑 - 1/23/03 by aabb123] [/quote] Hi, This post may not get into the knowledge of aabb123. It is everybody\'s choice. What language to use and which word to choose. I do not claim that my English is good but I think it is good enough for me to communicate. It cannot be denied that nowadays English is an international language or lingua franca. I hope someday our Chinese can replace it. And I think it surely will. :) :) :) |
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发布于：2003-01-23 10:09
[quote] 要是这书能在中国起这作用，我马上长江的跳。别跟我讲高尚的东西，我只知道除了利益其他什么都是假的。人类历史的推动力是什么？生存的欲望！ MrChen, you could take your time browse and post whatever you feel like to express on MS\'s communities and newsgroups, that way you would surely get more audience and get to polish your English skill. And like you\'ve already noticed, we even have an zone dedicated for people like you who have great passion of expressing in English. Go visit there, spread your words, make it a thunder-name among every developers within China. Doesn\'t satisfy you, no problem, we\'ll sign a collective petition to the Big Boss,\" Let this man have his dream come true!\" However, before that, wounldn\'t you think \"post\" instead of \"thread\" , \"points\" rather than \"marks\" , be better in your expression. We\'re going to make a renowned program here, remember? Nevertheless, I felt compelled to say that when God created languages, the purpose was to cause misunderstanding. If problems could be better addressed in another language as to promote better communication or even faster salvation. ――Tomatoes on me! Easy, easy, this would be the last time I ever browse this post. [编辑 - 1/23/03 by aabb123] [/quote] A simple opinion on aabb123\'s comments worded in Chinese: 1. If you are a Boss, using your own money and want to get a task done, what kind of employees do you use? 2. If you are an employee and have no connection with the Boss, would you model on Rowan or someone who always play truant? 3. Some of you may say that sometimes, shoe-shining is better than hard-working. But 1st class people make 1st class response. Shoe-shining is no replacement for hard-working. If you want to degrade yourself, you can do whatever you want. We need something more than being materialistic. :) :) :) |
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发布于：2003-01-24 09:29
People got lost when being too materialistic. The following passage is quoted from www.csdn.net:
我们终于进入了这个社会。从此结束了被学校老师看管的生涯，结束了做父母乖宝贝的日子，也结束从父母兄长那里拿钱的幸福时光。 我们从家里搬了出来，提着自己半新不旧的行囊找了间不能再廉价的破房子租了下来，开始了闯荡的生活。 我们的眼光充满了好奇，我们的血液里流淌着激情，我们的钱夹却空前的瘦小。 在面对第一个老板第一批同事第一份工作的时候，我们是那样的慷慨激昂，我们认为自己无所不能，我们幻想很快就可以打造一片属于自己的天地，我们对未来充满了信心。并且希望从别人艳羡的目光中找到一点点骄傲的资本。 可是渐渐的我们才知道，其实现实和自己的理想有着天壤之别。我们发现了老板是多么的阴险狠毒同事是多么的势利小气工作是多么的枯燥无趣，我们也发现了房租水电气费把人愁死了。发薪的日子总好像遥不可及,商店里的东西仿佛只是为别人摆设，我们还发现了只有周末跑到母校瞎逛才感觉释然,只有和老同学一起聊天玩耍才真正开心只有在步行街上看美女才不无聊。 渐渐的我们也学会了泡吧，酒吧迪吧水吧网吧玩具吧都是我们打发无聊时间的场所。可是我们还是泡不到妞，以前自以为是的那些爱情理论泡马子技巧在金钱时代都是狗屁，都出奇的苍白无力。于是我们感叹世界变得太快，快得让我们这些穷小子根本就无所适从。 渐渐的我们也变得深沉起来，不再为一个很幼稚的笑话就哈哈大笑，不再动不动就乱发牢骚，也不再把内心深处的秘密轻易地跟别人诉说。我们也说不清楚这到底是成熟还是消沉对着镜子看，却发现里面那张脸陌生得可怕。 渐渐的我们似乎大彻大悟了，什么都看透了，一切都虚无缥缈了，然后我们什么都很漠然，坐公交车也不让座了，看到小偷偷东西也懒得理了，吃点小亏想想也就算了，但是我们却在每天下班之前发愁晚餐该吃什么了，在大家一起喝茶的时候盘算着自己要不要买单，在临睡之前把这个月的开支算了又算。 渐渐的我们感觉自己其实什么都不是，没有钱没有名没有地位，身高也太矮了皮肤也太黑了长相也太难看了，什么都要看人家的脸色，走在哪里都似乎低人一等，有时真恨不得割脉上吊服毒跳楼自行了断。 渐渐的我们也不想看书了，也不想谈理想了，也不想谈前途了，也不想花太多精力胡思乱想。我们也不想听音乐了，也不想看电影了，不过倒时常看些成人的碟子，交流些黄色的笑话。我们开始沉迷于酒液里，沉迷于方城中，沉迷于低级场所内。家的概念越来越模糊了，亲情的感觉越来越遥远了，除了在梦中偶尔回到家乡之外，我们挺多可以借助一条冰冷的电话线和家人说说一些开始偏离生活的话，却看不到老爹老妈又长出了多少根白头发又多了几道皱纹。 看到有人在球场上酣战，我们似乎也想上去来两脚，其实很久没有运动的身体已经无法支撑我们再跑多远了，而且几乎荒废的球技让我们怀疑自己那些踢球的年岁是不是上辈子的事。 望着满街穿着前卫的少男少女，我们开始表现出厌恶的表情，却忘了自己前些年其实有过之而无不及。遇到在大庭广众之下举止亲热的学生情侣，我们的目光也变成了不屑，并恶狠狠地骂他们伤风败俗。 经过彩票销售点的时候，我们忍不住也掏出一点本该买书的钱来买几注，然后天天做梦中了五百万之后多少万买房子多少万买车多少万胡乱挥霍，可是每一次开奖虽然屡屡有人中头奖却始终与自己无缘，于是在短暂的失望之后，我们依然锲而不舍地做着美梦。 渐渐的我们的人生观、价值观、爱情观也有所改变。我们已经不认为为了往上爬而不择手段有什么不妥，我们对努力就有回报的说法嗤之以鼻，我们嘲笑所谓的贞节观，所谓的责任感，希望甚至去找寻一夜情。 我们开始关注街上跑的车是宝马还是奥拓，关注哪个酒廊的吧台小姐酒量如何，关注哪款手机用起来更加叉人眼，关注哪个牌子的西服穿起来更有派头。但也就只是关注而已，因为我们清楚无论是宝马还是奥拓，我们都买不起，吧台小姐酒量再不行，我们也不能把人家怎么样，至于手机和西服，还是用自己买了很久的老款式。 不知从什么时候开始，我们为自己的遭遇感到愤愤不平了，我们越来越看不惯老板狰狞的面目，越来越无法忍受同事的卑鄙龌龊，越来越不堪就这样生活下去。于是我们在感叹运气不好的同时迫切地想改变自己的命运，我们左顾右盼，寻找机会，却始终看不到出路。 终于有一天，我们像火山爆发一样，一冲动之下把老板炒了。收拾东西昂然地走出办公室的那一刻我们有英雄离去那种豪迈与无悔，只从同事愕然与嘲讽夹杂的眼神中隐隐看到一丝无奈，却不知道等待自己的，将是无尽的痛苦与折磨。 我们很快发现了虽然自己拥有并不低的学历和一定的工作经验，并像跑场子一样从这家公司跑到那家公司，一次接一次地应聘，可是根本就无法找到适合的工作。 时间一天一天过去，工作依然遥远得不知子丑寅卯，钱包越来越瘪了，交房租的日子也越来越近了，我们心如火焚，有着世界末日即将来临的惶恐。我们也开始有点后悔自己太轻率就辞职了，也开始萌生铤而走险的念头，但又不敢真的去抢银行绑架什么的，心情低沉到了极点，我们的脾气也大了，唉叹声也响了。 所幸这样的日子终于结束了。我们又到了新的工作单位。这时候我们虽然或多或少有点激动，但更多的是谨慎与惨淡。我们不会再对老板抱什么幻想，不会认为他会给我们多好的待遇，我们也不会和同事谈什么知心话，因为我们已经知道，不可能与有利益冲突的人成为朋友，当然我们也不再愚蠢地把这个工作当事业一样拼命，只把这里当成自己的一个跳板，一旦有机会就立马走人。 接下来的生活无趣又无味，但我们渐渐的也就无所谓了。我们也不想泡吧了，不想什么活着的意义了，老同学在一起也开始有点话不投机了，以前很少联系的朋友，现在更不想去联系了，就算有时候接到他们打来的电话，也只是随便吭吭唷唷的应付几句。虽然酒还是经常喝，但很多时候都一个人独饮独醉了。这时候我们的寂寞更是深入骨髓，我们的苦痛更加真切而细腻。我们空前地怀念在学校的那些岁月，我们会捧着毕业合照发半天呆，我们却不想再到母校去闲逛了，如果是偶然经过，看到曾经熟悉无比的景物，心里还真的翻涌起一股酸楚，但是我们不会流眼泪。毕业时曾经很贱的男儿泪如今又变得珍贵起来。 当然我们也还是经常上网，不过很多时候都是为了打发时间。我们很可能迷上了传奇之类的游戏，却很少再光顾同学录网页，更不想在上面留言了。 我们无师自通的学会了自欺欺人，虽然我们在夜深梦回时也会憎恨自己的虚伪与无为，更讨厌这种猪狗不如的生活方式，但是我们就象被囚禁的鸟，根本就无能为力。有时候我们会自嘲似的给找很多借口来解释自己的某种行为，尽管我们也知道这样做其实毫无意思，也毫无必要。 我们开始不断地听到老同学们结婚的消息、升职的消息。然后我们不经意地就想到某某在学校时的样子，然后我们不由得感叹时间流逝之无情，然后我们就想在尘封已久的日记本上写点什么，然后我们不知不觉地眼角竟然也有点湿润了。 我们夜里躺在床上睁大眼睛，却无法在漆黑中排遣郁闷时，就会格外的想有个人陪在身边。很多往事会像潮水一样向我们扑来。我们曾经暗恋过的人、曾经追求过但失败了的人、曾经相爱过的人，都一一地闪过脑海，于是，心里会有种伤感，很纯粹的伤感。因为我们知道，爱情其实真的已经与我们离得很远。 我们试着通过各种途径来结交朋友，但是每每交往了几次，我们就不想再与他们来往。说不清楚是因为他们太过于现实还是我们太封闭。我们于是感慨万千，在这个很多人都戴面具生活的社会，原来交一个真正的朋友竟然那么难。我们也试着去约会，可是爱情并非喝水吃饭那么简单，到最后都还是以失败告终。高不成低不就的我们继续高举单身的旗帜游走于大街小巷。 我们非常怀念学生时代那种单纯的恋情，非常羡慕那些还能坐在教室中的年轻人，非常希望自己可以再读一次大学，但是我们也知道，泼出去的水怎么能够收回，远逝的时光如何可能重来？ 我们的酒量越来越大，一打啤酒喝下去一只手指在眼前竖着也无法看成两只手指。我们的腰越来越粗背越来越宽肚皮越来越大，日渐增多的脂肪很是晃眼。我们爬上楼梯的动作越来越笨拙，也越来越吃力，才到三楼就已经气喘吁吁。 我们向往着能到外面去走一走，看一看，却又害怕沦落天涯，苦不堪言。我们越来越觉得钱钟书老人的围城理论精辟有理。我们越来越体会到人在江湖身不由己的无奈。我们越来越感到心力交瘁，压抑茫然。 …… 可是，以后的路还很长，无论如何，我们得活下去。不管是痛苦还是快乐，我们都要面对。毕竟想逃避也逃避不了的。所以，我们还是希望，明天是一个阳光灿烂的大好日子。而且，我们骨子里仍然相信自己会走出阴霾，出人头地。 再回首，灯火阑珊处没有伊人，只有自己的梦想在风中轻轻地摇曳 |
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51楼#
发布于：2003-01-24 09:36
The following passage quoted from www.csdn.net describes what categories of people make money from IT business in our country. Anybody can advise whether it is true?
And what do you feel if they, especially people of Category 2, refer you to see the article -- A Message to Garcia? 在中国IT最赚钱的几种人(个人观点，不对请大家指正) 1.洋鬼子，向IBM、Microsoft等等这些国外巨头：中国的IT发展产生的巨大财富很大一部分都被这些鬼佬赚走了，一个800万的ERP项目，花在买设备、操作系统和数据库软件上的可能要占到一半，这些钱还不是被鬼佬赚走了。 2.假洋鬼子：跟着洋大爷，骗土雹子的钱，倒买倒卖，赚取巨额差价。特别是如果傍上大客户，舍得给回扣，更是赚。 3.下海的政府机构(有政府职能的企业)：在中国这两者是分不清楚的，象中国电信可以带着公安到你家里去查拨号器，你说他是政府还是企业？象CNNIC明明是政府机构可大卖域名，大把大把的赚钱，你说他是政府还是企业？ 4。房地产商：大家一看可能会说IT关房地产商什么事，但是看一看这几年祖国上下大搞科技园，软件园就不难想像那些房地产商有多赚了，再说了，搞软件园比搞住宅小区赚多了。 5。政府：确切的说是政府里面一少部分人。现在又兴起了搞电子政务，买什么样的设备、软件，他们说了算，往往又是看哪个公司回扣给的多就买谁的。别看前一阵所谓的政府采购大批采购国产软件，全是作秀。那些刚学会用键盘的大老爷们能够忍受得了Linux的复杂？就算我信你也不信啊。还不是等媒体炒作完了，就又换上微软的东西。 大家经常骂的私营企业主，我觉得并不在此之列。想想他们也不容易的。要巴结客户，要和政府搞好关系，要想办法避税，要打压竞争对手。如果换个位置让你作老板，你会怎样？对于那些人格有问题的老板，走人就是了，不必理会太多。 真正危害中国IT发展的，是什么？呵呵，大家都清楚。我并不是跳出来要骂什么，批判什么，兄弟们要想办法进上面列的的那些地方也好，想在键盘上为技术苦苦奋斗也好，最关键是自己开心就好，能赚钱就更好、。 |
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发布于：2003-01-25 09:32
The following passage quoted from www.csdn.net describes what categories of people make money from IT business in our country. Anybody can advise whether it is true? Any talent? Any wisdom? |
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53楼#
发布于：2003-01-25 10:55
对“小节”太执著，容易使自己受伤。
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发布于：2003-01-25 11:12
这些事情都是我们不能把握的, Yes! Don\'t be side-tracked and distracted. Remember how we got where we are now! We do not rob! When we were small, we studied well, we worked hard! It is the same when we come to work now! Are we professional? If we are, we should know what to do! We should be honest. We should be diligent. We should be independent. We should be smart. We should be fair. We should just. We should be caring for our fellow countrymen. No matter you are bosses or you are employees. :) :) :) |
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发布于：2003-01-25 11:16
[quote]这些事情都是我们不能把握的, Yes! Don\'t be side-tracked and distracted. Remember how we got where we are now! We do not rob! When we were small, we studied well, we worked hard! It is the same when we come to work now! Are we professional? If we are, we should know what to do! We should be honest. We should be diligent. We should be independent. We should be smart. We should be fair. We should just. We should be caring for our fellow countrymen. No matter you are bosses or you are employees. :) :) :) [/quote] Sorry! We should be just. Typing mistake. Too hurried! :) :) :) |
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发布于：2003-01-25 11:35
对“小节”太执著，容易使自己受伤。 Fracker, We should better well prepare ourselves so that we could not be hurt nor have the feeling of being hurt. Though I do not believe in religion. But let\'s see the example of Jesus Christ. He was crucified on a cross. He mentally turned himself to be invincible because he thought he was suffering and sacrificed himself for others. Just like our revolutionary leaders and those died for our country during the Japanese invasion. Nowadays, we actually are very well. And we should do better! Shall we complain any more? If we could not model on them, let\'s remember them and as far as possible follow behind their path and don\'t side-track too far! When you have ideals, you shall feel calm and have strength! Do more reading! Know more about the world, history and culture of mankind! Broaden your horizon and vision! The future is yours! |
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